As an honorable elder member of the DNF, I shall most respectfully request your kind self to write few words regarding following DNF historic issues, that may be of most informative to the new generation of DNF childrens.
(1) What are the real differences between Nain sharers and Proja Party
(2) Why another Khawjas are call Proja Party (mostly lived around gol talab)
(3) What role did honorable Khawja Nazimuddin played to settle dispute between Nain Shares and Proja Party
(4) Why there exist two kabarstan in begumbazar?
(5) Is it true that honorable Khawja Nazimuddin publicly acknowledged before justice (in court) that "indeed injustice was done to the Proja Party by the Nain Sharers"Since you write well, please do write in detail. I understand this may be an emotional issue for some. However, like myself, many would like to know detail from both sides. This is important one must know all the detail from all sides to conclude an unbias opion.
Respectfully Submitted
Iftekhar Hassan
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This topic has been reposted for clarity and healthy debate.
In essence, to resolve differences.
We reserve the right to remove all frivolous comments.
- DNF Website Team
Obviously healthy debate is what we all want. BUT, but, you guys (WEBSIDERS) put another input regarding same topics under the name of "FORGIVE AND FORGET" even before we started the debate with frank exchange of ideaa and information. Kindly note, that I have taken liberty and cut and pasted your article which was put up after my post addressed to Mr. K. Sayeed Sahabuddin,
This being said, I am taking further liberty to point out that, "NOT ALL ACTION CAN BE OF FORGIVE AND FORGET NATURE" I understand it is not a class action lawsuit but respectfully, unless certain restitution is made (does'nt have to involve money). Furthermore, It may be, I repeat "maybe" that, No injustice was ever done against so-called proja party, at all ! How do we know unless we know of all the facts?.
Once again, it is not an issue of "FORGIVE AND FORGET" for the sake of unity of the DNF. I think you guys are wrong here. It is a discovery process with exchange of ideas and historical facts.
I am all for forgive and forget and I know the humanity should walk this line. However we must not and should not cover up the past with religious slogan of "FORGIVE ANF FORGET" that is wrong.
Future generation can only learn from the truth and mistakes of the past.
How can you "FORGIVE AND FORGET" when you can not be buried in another Kabarstan next door?
Come on give me a break guys, this is what I call it pure balony, balony and more balony...lol
Respectfully submitted
Iftekhar Hassan
BELOW IS YOUR ARTICLE:
Over the years, there have been internal strifes between the children of Khwaja Alimullah, the patriarch of the present day Dhaka Nawab Family.
Let's pray to Allah to forgive those who caused those differences between brothers and their offsprings.
Let's pray to Allah to bless those who suffered.
Let's pray to Allah to forgive those who were proud and acted in the interest of a few instead of all of the children of Khwaja Alimullah.
Let's all pray for forgiveness to Allah, since as human beings we are infallible.
This website is about family unity. We all know why there are two graveyards in Begum bazar.
Is it all worth debating it after all these years ?
Certainly not.
It is very very hard to forgive. But a great person is one who forgets and forgives for Allah.
If we forgive, Allah will forgive us.
Dear Iftekhar bhai,
Your point is well taken.
Please proceed keeping in mind the greater interest of family unity.
- DNF Website Team
Anonymous said...
there is nothing to forgive or forget. Nine Sharer are direct Descendants of Nawab K.Ahshanullah and they have inheirted all his properties,It's all a Historical Facts and the official records are with the court of wards/Govt of Bangladesh.Don't waste time over it.The Projas or the other Khawja have No rights over the properties of Nawab K.Ahsanullah.FYI over the years a lot of court cases were contested but no where it was proved that the other Khawjas had any rights.Stay Alert and Enjoy " Remember there was no injustic done to other Khwaja.So Dear DNF Team what is there to resolve Dispute or Differences.Let us openly discuss with the original topic of Iftekar Hassan or you DNF team are afraid that the Pandora Box will open up.We are sure both the side of Khwaja will respond to this topic
October 25, 2006 4:02 PM
Point to note. DNF Website Team members are all from the Proja or Other Khawja side and we hope that they whom we repect will not delete the Nine Sharer"s opinion. Justic must prevail.
No one seem to be interested in this interesting topic or DNF honourable members think that the DNF website Team will Delete their comments. It's a shame.Where is freedom of rights/speech or make the discussion open, free for all.Don't delete/cut our thoughts/writing,it will Hurt us.DNF members want to know,please let them.....
It is good to have some really open and honest discussion. It is a history and all should particiapate. I am not sure what prompted Nawab Ahasanullah to distribute 9 shares to his direct Descendants and less to others. But it must be a very valid reason or twist. Anyway, keep in mind that we are all sons and daughters of Alimullah, and we should simply have this argument with the manners we have been taught.
Also, past is past. You will find more proja parties more successful in thier life than most of the 9 sharers. Proja parties sshould be proud of that. Also, 9 sharers should as well be proud that their distance relatives are doing great and keeping up the namesake.
Mr Name Sake " Who are the Nine Sharer" Why were the Projas/other khwaja never accepted as the Blue blood.Why are they crying now.What are they upto now.Will someone who pleae update us all.
Mr Name sake, you are trying to be modest or sarcastic.
what do you mean past is past -
"Whoever controls the past, controls the present; whoever controls the present, controls the future" --
George Orwell,
'1984'
Any doubt.
Hello All,
There exist an excellent legal documents within this site, under the name of Khajeh Suleman Wuadir VS. Salimullah Bahadur, dated 2 March 1922. I guess this is a privy council appeal No. 28 dated 1921.
This document is obviously a good document in terms of "CERTAIN" reference related to the action of Nawab Bahadur Khawja Abdul Ghani, handing properties to his son Nawab Khawja Ahsanullah.
Since this case was first fought in than Dhaka and socalled Nain sharers lost and they appeal ruling of Dhaka court in Calcutta.
What we need to study more is what sort of adjudication and or settlement took place. What I dont see is the reason as to why upper court in than Calcutta overturn the decision of the lower court in Dhaka. ( maybe I did not understood this part properly)
Please educate us, it is interesting.
Respectfully Submitted
Iftekhar Hassan
Iftekhar Bhai, the court case you are refering to concerns the Wafks property and Not the Legal personel properties of Nawab Sir K.Ahsanullah which has been inheirted by the descendants of Nawab K Ahsanullah.Again, inspite of so many cases by the Projas/other Khwaja, the British Gove,Pakistan Govt and now the Bangladesh Govt Never accepted the Claim of the Proja/other khwaja. Do you know that the C.S Record of all properties in and around Gol Talaab,Islampur/Baraaf Kaal area all belong to the Nawab Estate and not to the projas as claim by them - ah this is interesting.
Dear Iftekhar Bhai,You must be joking,to think that Honourable Khwaja Nazimuddin who has the Chief Minister of United Bengal - Chief Minister of East Pakistan(East Bengal),Governor General of Pakistan and finally the Prime Minister of Pakistan and was known for his honesty/integrity would confess that injustice was done to the projas/other khwaja in the court in dhaka. Was this recorded in the judgement/compromise.I don't think so.
Iftekhar bhai, we need facts/solid prove or court records.
Remember only the Court of Wards could speak or contest on behalf of Nine Sharer And no one else,the court of wards is itself a court as per ther court of wards Acts. Any Agreements between projas/other khwaja And Nine Sharers is not acceptable in any court or country. Shocking isn't it.......
Dear Anonymous Bhai,
Thanks for sharing with us from your knowledge regarding this historical facts. Please try to identify youself (if possible). However, it is not necessary.
It is clear from your post that you may be from the NAIN SHARERS side. (That is perfectly fine).
As far as I am concern, I just dont know all the facts.
However, many years ago, when I was younger, I went with my mother to collect some money that was due to her from some sort of moshara payment. ( I think it was few rupees and we used to joke about it) I think, it was (MIRZA SAHIB FATHER OF MS. ROMANA AMJAD or Khawja Salim, Father of Khawja Halim) told my mother regarding "KHAWJA NAZIMUDDIN PUBLICLY ACCEPTING INJUSTICE DONE BY NAIN SHARERS BEFORE COURTS" and some sort of settlement was given to the Proja/khawjas, which include the market/land at Wise Ghat, Across from BULBUL ACADEMY some 15 acres/bighas of khas lands in Jinjira (later my father purchase Khawja Md. Salims Shares of land) and some 10 laks rupees.
I also remember, Nunnah,(she was suppose to be the grand daughter of Tipu Sultan and was married to a great Khawja) mother of K. Aziz Shah (mimmim) waited for her share of money (DUS LAKIA KUB BATENGA)even at her death bed she recited the above note.
As a matter of fact, when we were like 9 or 10 years old, we used to go to her (she was than very very old) and used to tell her jokingly "NUNNAH, KHABAR AH GAYA.....DUS LAKHYA BUT RAHA" and for that fake good news, NUNNA would give us like one or two anas in those days.
Anyway, I would like to see and it would be great, if someone knowlegable from proja/khawja side should write about this interesting topic.
I think Anas (s/o K. Aziz) should enter this debate. Why not Anas ? You know a lot!~
Respectfully Submitted
Iftekhar Hassan
Iftekhar bhai - interesting comments from you but those are all hear say Not facts.It was very common in the nawab family to hear these sort of Gup shap/gossip and was passed on to next generation.This will not stand in the court of Law.
I want to ask you a very personel question - Why have you brought out this sensitive topic - a bone of contention.The best place to find answer to your question would be with the British and Bangladesh museum. One thing is for certain is that except the settlement you mentioned in which lands in wise ghat(Edward house)/Jinzira were given to the proja/other khwaja and 40% of Gol Talaab and part of land in Bagen bari were also given to them.FYI the Deed of Agreement is with the Chief manager,Dhaka Nawab Estate.One very interesting point to note is that in that compromise/agreement it was said that No one from the projas/other khwaja can ever claim for any property.It will not only be a serious breech of contract but contempt of court.You can find the Deed with Abdullah trust/court of wards.
A committee was form with nine members from nine sharer and six members from projas/other khwaja to look after the Gol Tallab and the property in Bagen bari.It was called the Dhaka Nawab family welfare association.Few meetings were held after that don't know what happen.Now I have a question for you all projas/other khwaja - why only you all are taking the benifit of Gol Talaab? Is it justice.one thing I want to say, We are sorry to call you all projas/other khwaja(you wrote that name)not us.Remember we are all a family.We respect and care for you all honourable Khwaja. Best of luck
Iftekhar Bhai,
Thanks for inviting me on this debate. It is difficult to remain neutral as a human being on any debatable issue (what I should be as one of the moderator of the website). I don’t want this website to be branded as Pro or anti xx group.
I believe this subject is a very touchy and emotional one. It opens wounds rather than unite the Khwaja Alimullah family. Much cusec water has been discarded by Buriganga since the last case was fought. Does this topic further advance DNF families cause in any way?
Couple of things noted.
1. The respondent from the so called RAJA PARTY is hiding behind the mask as an anonymous.
Who do we believe?-this anonymous or MR. Late K.M. Salim (who had calligraphed the entire Quran Sharif)? Provided that you are quoting him correctly.
2. The terminology PROJA means Ryot (a person who holds land as a cultivator of the soil. As far I know, not a single Khwaja ever was or is a peasant. So theoretically branding them as ryot is invalid. This discussion could end here.
3. There are tons of inter marriage between the descendants of Nawab Ahsanullah and the rest of the Khwaja family. Isn't the line of division much blurrier now than anytime in the past?
4. We still have enough room left for burial in BB Kabarstan#1? Does it really matter if someone is not buried in BB Kabarstan#2?
5. We have put the SQ VS Salimullah Bahadur case (PDF version) right after this topic started. We intend to put two historical interviews (MPEG file) by this weekend-which will shed some light on this.
6. I need to do some homework before I write more on this core topic.
*Personal opinion, not the official view of the DNF website team
Wow,look what we have in our interesting discussion - leader Of projas/other khwaja,the one and only Khwaja Anas -self made website team moderator.DNF member remember he is very sly and smooth talker,would try to convince all that night is day.My respect to him, a honourable Khwaja shaheb.I shall reply to him point by points.
1.Hiding behind the mask as Anonymous -Dear khawja Anas Bhai, who gave us the choice of "choose an indentity" the website team and now your ask why hiding behind the mask.Why do you have to bring late K.M Salim/quran.what it has to do with that.Do you have anything in writing from him or you too are qouating from hear say.Prove it officially with court order,any Deed of Agreements etc.
2.Anas Bhai it was our respected Iftekhar Bhai who wrote proja/other khwaja not us.Are you sure you are a true khwajas.We never doubted that you all are not real khwaja.
3. we are magmanious/liberal to accept you all.
4BB burial: no comment,very sensitive issue.All are or both side are welcome to be burried in either graveyards.K.Halim can answer to that question.
5.personal interview of whom.we will give reply when it's on website.
Anas bhai or Anas mia, be prepared and please do your home work well.Remember we will give a befiting reply which may hurt you and website team.short cut to that would be to delete our response for which you people have become very famous.Remember freedom of speech/thoughts is our birth right.Do't play with that.Waiting for your reply till than bye.
To Anas and the Anonymous Bhai,
I do not think "searching for the historical truth by way of openly debating the issue is bad for family unity at all.
I think hiding behind the smokescreen and sending ambushes are the enemy of the UNITY.
As a matter of fact, I am a firm believer, that discussion foster independent thinking" There is no if, no and buts about it. Furthermore, Objectivity, reason and humanities are key to understand any complex issue and debate must be open ended with all input "duly noted" and respectfully considered.
This is an important debate for all the present DNF members and the future generation. You do not want to leave them "wild goose chasing" until eternity.Obviously, unity shall only come when smokescreens are removed from minds.
This being said, I would like you gentlemen to further note, that self criticism and acceptance of truth is also a symbol of bravery and part of wisdom.
Now, I see from this debate two facts emerging, as follows:
Please correct me if I am wrong:-
(1) Is it possible that honorable K. Abdul Ghani knowingly gave more to his son honorable K. Ahsanullah that other sons?
(2) or He gave equally to all the sons. Hon. K. Ahsanullah used his part wisely and expanded it further. On the other hand, other brothers just blew it toward old nawabi shan shawkat, he-he, ha ha, and gave the rest to many bull shit pir sahibs and than started to cry, that they been ripped off.
Whatever, this may be. I think we should dig deep and discover the truth. Its worth it.
Yes indeed. UNITY IS POWER !
Respectfully Submitted
Iftekhar Hassan
interstingly the 9 shares called us ,proja,which means reyaya of there nawabi or zamidari.how come the member of same family called as ,proja,.ezhar.
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